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. >> they can do that at any time even after they read him his miranda rights? >> yes, that's my view. >> so that changes nothing in view of their ability to interrogate? >> what it changes is their ability to question him and use any statement that he makes. that they're not allowed to do. >> he is apparently claiming -- >> they don't need that in this case. they got a mountain of evidence against this guy. >> right. they have testified it seems against him and his brother for the act they perpetrated. >> correct. >> what they will i'm sure be extremely curious to find out if they can is are they part of a wider group of either like-minded individuals who have been coordinating themselves reading stuff on the internet, videos and so on, which apparently is what he's claiming. whether they're attached to anybody in chechnya, for example, or islamic fundamentalist nature, et cetera, et cetera, how far can you go in terms of eliciting that information from somebody like him in his position once he's had his miranda rights read to him as he now has? >> my view is y
. >> they can do that at any time even after they read him his miranda rights? >> yes, that's my view. >> so that changes nothing in view of their ability to interrogate? >> what it changes is their ability to question him and use any statement that he makes. that they're not allowed to do. >> he is apparently claiming -- >> they don't need that in this case. they got a mountain of evidence against this guy. >> right. they have testified it seems...
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his miranda rights were read to him. they decided to read him his miranda rights. those were given to him today as well. the security here is very tight. in fact, what is interesting is, he potentially might get out of the hospital later than many of his victims that are also here recovering. greta? >> adam, in terms what have went down before he was mirandized, was he interviewed by the fbi or anybody in the last couple of days since he was taken into custody? did he give him information that they considered valuable and helpful? >> reporter: we learned a cowl of things. 1; yes, there were questions asked of him. the first few hours if not more than that, they were worried about making sure should thguy survives. he got here on friday night in pretty bad condition. he bled from injuries nearly 20 hours. he was obviously in rough condition. so the number-1 priority was to make sure he survived to get information from him. questions were asked of him before he was mirandized. they haven't said of course, they are not going to give away what he said. i did talk to on
his miranda rights were read to him. they decided to read him his miranda rights. those were given to him today as well. the security here is very tight. in fact, what is interesting is, he potentially might get out of the hospital later than many of his victims that are also here recovering. greta? >> adam, in terms what have went down before he was mirandized, was he interviewed by the fbi or anybody in the last couple of days since he was taken into custody? did he give him information...
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we now that dzhokhar, suspect number two, has been read his miranda rights. sow won't be designated as an enemy combatant. but if he was labelled an enemy combatant, he wouldn't have been entitled to a lawyer and a jury trial. they could have asked him a lot of other questions without a lawyer present that may or may not be relevant to national security. now why did they make this decision not to go for enemy combatant status? do they think they have so much evidence in this case that they can go ahead with the civilian jury trial and they don't need to hide behind enemy combatant? >> i think that is certainly part of it. it does look like an overwhelming body of evidence. more than that, they thought they could get the immediate information they needed by the miranda exception, the public safety exception so they could make sure the public was safe. there accident seem to be an constitution aal basis to treat someone that commits a crime like this on our soil. the supreme court has upheld treating an american, the american taliban hamdi captured in afghanist
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and his miranda rights were read to him. there was reporting if they weren't going to, but they decided to read him his miranda rights and those were given to him today as well. the security here is still very tight. what is interesting is he potentially might get out of the hospital later than many of his victims that are here also recovering. greta. >> adam, in terms of what went down before he was mirandized, was he interviewed by the fbi or by anybody in the last couple days since he was taken into custody? and it he give them information that they considered valuable and helpful? >> we learned a couple of things. yes, there were questions asked of him. the first few hours, if not more than that, obvious think they were making sure he survived so you had that situation. he got here friday night in pretty bad condition. he bled for nearly 24 hours and then the fire fight at the boat. the number one priority for them was to make sure he survived so they could get information from him. questions were asked of him before he
and his miranda rights were read to him. there was reporting if they weren't going to, but they decided to read him his miranda rights and those were given to him today as well. the security here is still very tight. what is interesting is he potentially might get out of the hospital later than many of his victims that are here also recovering. greta. >> adam, in terms of what went down before he was mirandized, was he interviewed by the fbi or by anybody in the last couple days since he...
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so, we understand that this guy dzhokhar has been given miranda rights in the hospital. he has an attorney appointed to him. some are saying and the "wall street journal" is saying among them that's not smart. they could have labeled him an enemy combatant and intear gaysed him without all the protections and you say? >> well, i think the white house has made a calculation the department of justifiable has made a cool could you legs that they can bring this person, i'm sorry, to justice, and also get the information that may be important to prevent future attacks and also provide answers that may help bring closure to the victims and the families of the victims. you know, there are some challenges, of course, with respect to the designation of enemy combatant. people forget that once that happens, dealing with an american citizen and what he will do is file habeas petition challenging that designation, raising again this question does the president on his own authority can he designate an american citizen enemy combatant which was an issue that came up with al awlaki. wh
so, we understand that this guy dzhokhar has been given miranda rights in the hospital. he has an attorney appointed to him. some are saying and the "wall street journal" is saying among them that's not smart. they could have labeled him an enemy combatant and intear gaysed him without all the protections and you say? >> well, i think the white house has made a calculation the department of justifiable has made a cool could you legs that they can bring this person, i'm sorry, to...
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but also on the same time now we have a suspect who already was read his miranda rights. he already have a lawyer present. and i don't think that should affect any trained interrogator, any trained interviewer in doing their job. we have been doing this for many, many years. we did it against terrorist suspects, organized crimes, people who are charged with treason, spies, and it always worked, and it always gets the intended results. >> in terms of this breaking news that we've just got tonight. again, this is a senior government official saying that the initial interrogation of dzhokhar tsarnaev in his hospital bed, he says that he and his brother were not in touch with any overseas terrorists or groups. they conceived the attack on their own, motivated he told them by religious fervor. that's the language that i have been given. how -- how should that be approached in terms of strategically trying to unwind any threats that might exist beyond these young men? they're saying they acted alone. but presumably, the thing that made them want to do this could make other peop
but also on the same time now we have a suspect who already was read his miranda rights. he already have a lawyer present. and i don't think that should affect any trained interrogator, any trained interviewer in doing their job. we have been doing this for many, many years. we did it against terrorist suspects, organized crimes, people who are charged with treason, spies, and it always worked, and it always gets the intended results. >> in terms of this breaking news that we've just got...
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in terms of what he is waiting for from his miranda. you know it from "law and order." you have the right to remain silent. you have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police. if you cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed for you before any questions if you wish. if you decide to answer any questions without an attorney you will still have the right to stop answering. are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present? it's not always exactly like that and in the movies the person saying it usually has a much cooler accent but that's pretty much the idea. your statements are only admissible in court if they come after you've been told that list of things about your rights. there is a public safety exception for questions that just had to be asked of you urgently for legitimate public safety need even if those questions came before you got read the miranda. the obama administration has extended the reach of that public safety exemption so it can last longer to attend to the public safety threats that could accrue in terrorism
in terms of what he is waiting for from his miranda. you know it from "law and order." you have the right to remain silent. you have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police. if you cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed for you before any questions if you wish. if you decide to answer any questions without an attorney you will still have the right to stop answering. are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present? it's not always...
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>> it's not clear whether he provided this information before or after he was read his miranda rights. i don't know. . i know, this is according to a government source, what he has told them in the preliminary investigations. >> jake tapper, thank you very much. obviously significant information there. new information from jake tapper. i want to bring in our panel live tonight. seth jones associate director of the security defense policy center at the rand corporation. former member of the joint terrorism task force and jeffrey toobin our legal analyst. jake is saying -- this is significant in terms of the information in this. but obviously a crucial question out there which is was it obtained before or after those miranda rights were read? >> the irony here is what he is saying is not particularly helpful to him. what would be helpful to him is if he had a conspiracy he could make the government to make a deal to avoid the death penalty. if he is simply saying it is me and my brother, what does he have to negotiate with? >> there's no one to else to give up. >> right. >> and frankly,
>> it's not clear whether he provided this information before or after he was read his miranda rights. i don't know. . i know, this is according to a government source, what he has told them in the preliminary investigations. >> jake tapper, thank you very much. obviously significant information there. new information from jake tapper. i want to bring in our panel live tonight. seth jones associate director of the security defense policy center at the rand corporation. former member...
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essentially admitted to doing it, and i want to say with a very important caveat, before he was read his miranda rights. >> there's no such thing as a slam dunk in criminal law. but this is as close as you get. you've got video tape putting him at the scene. you have a motive in terms of what he's had to say. plus, you have a guy in a car that admissions were made to. it goes on and on. now, could he beat the death penalty? maybe that's a possibility. what should the defense's strategy be. the shoe bomber obviously now serving life, but did not get the death penalty because of your defense. what can the defense possibly do? >> well, they're going to be focused on mitigation at this point, thinking about the possibility of the death penalty. they're going to be looking into his background. they're going to be having him evaluated, potentially, by, you know, forensic evaluations, by psychologists. they're going to be looking at his state of mind. >> it seems like the defense may try to say he was under the influence of his older brother and be some way to mitigate his defense or say he is brainwas
essentially admitted to doing it, and i want to say with a very important caveat, before he was read his miranda rights. >> there's no such thing as a slam dunk in criminal law. but this is as close as you get. you've got video tape putting him at the scene. you have a motive in terms of what he's had to say. plus, you have a guy in a car that admissions were made to. it goes on and on. now, could he beat the death penalty? maybe that's a possibility. what should the defense's strategy...
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we know i think that is all part and parcel of the story, and i think also we would have heard pre-miranda whether or not during the public safety exception if he had provided any information about imminent threat, additional plans, additional co-conspirators. because we haven't heard from any government sources on it, we should conclude there was nothing else in terms of imminent threat. the next step is to get all of the statements from tsarnaev and then corroborate them. to corroborate them through into good intelligence work, through question and answering with russian intelligence, going through the computers, the phone records to see if what tsarnaev has said now in a hospital bed tracks with the other information we're going to be able to uncover. >> roger, how does it track with the fact that these guys were so inadequately supported that here they are doing a carjacking, grabbing a guy, try to get him to go to the atm, because whatever money they've had has been spent on fire power and pressure cookers and they don't have enough money to get out of town. >> so what is also part of
we know i think that is all part and parcel of the story, and i think also we would have heard pre-miranda whether or not during the public safety exception if he had provided any information about imminent threat, additional plans, additional co-conspirators. because we haven't heard from any government sources on it, we should conclude there was nothing else in terms of imminent threat. the next step is to get all of the statements from tsarnaev and then corroborate them. to corroborate them...
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dzhokhar tsarnaev will not be read his miranda rights before he's questioned. once he's physically able to answer questions. as far as we know, he's still in too bad of shape to answer law enforcement questions at all. in terms of what he is waiting for, for his miranda, you know it from law and order, right? you have the right to remain silent, anything you say or do may be used against you in a court of law, you have the right to consult an attorney and to have an attorney present during questioning. if you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. if you decide to answer any questions without an attorney present, you have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to an attorney knowing and understanding your rights as i explain them to you, are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present. it is not always exactly like that. in the movies, the person saying it usually has a much cooler accent. but that's pretty much the idea. the idea is that your statements are only admissible
dzhokhar tsarnaev will not be read his miranda rights before he's questioned. once he's physically able to answer questions. as far as we know, he's still in too bad of shape to answer law enforcement questions at all. in terms of what he is waiting for, for his miranda, you know it from law and order, right? you have the right to remain silent, anything you say or do may be used against you in a court of law, you have the right to consult an attorney and to have an attorney present during...
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but when he is able to you wonder whether or not the miranda situation will change and that is something to look forward to over the coming dayings. >> thousands in boston and millions in the country are relieved that the chapter is closed. but a new story begins as investigators investigate what motivated the two men and how much backing they h. >> i am happy to go to bed tonight and happy my family can go to sleep without worries about acracy terrorist. >> it is a feeling of relief and gladness and happy for all of tholce who are involved. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still "stubbed" up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have a decongestant. no way. [ male announcer ] sorry. alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast acting decongestant to relieve your stuffy nose. [ sighs ] thanks! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus. ♪ oh what a relief it is! ♪ [ male announcer ] to learn more about the cold truth and save $1 visit alka-se
but when he is able to you wonder whether or not the miranda situation will change and that is something to look forward to over the coming dayings. >> thousands in boston and millions in the country are relieved that the chapter is closed. but a new story begins as investigators investigate what motivated the two men and how much backing they h. >> i am happy to go to bed tonight and happy my family can go to sleep without worries about acracy terrorist. >> it is a feeling of...
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, remember miranda only excludes the actual statement itself. but if the statements were obtained involuntarily as a result of the sedation, not only can't they use the statements in court, but they can't use any of the fruits of those poison trees. so if they get any leads, they can't use those against this defendant. now, they can use it against others. they can use it for general intelligence gathering. so i agree with jeffrey that they may be making a calculated decision to risk any statements of confessions or intention in order to preserve the greater good of getting realtime intelligence information. >> and public safety which cannot be discounted at this time, that fruit of the poisonous tree so critical in this investigation. alan and jeffrey, standby if you will. we're going to delve a lot deeper into the details in the hour ahead. and also within the past hour a funeral mass concluded for one of the three people who was killed in last week's explosions. there were a lot of mourners packing into st. joseph's church in the boston suburb
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authorities decided to withhold reading his miranda rights. as time passes, does the justification for this wear off and in your opinion does the u.s. and investigators stand to regret that? >> they will regret it i think. a, there was never a basis for the public safety exception because when they announced it, the police announced there was no public safety danger. they arrested everybody. didn't think there was a risk to the public. why will they come to regret it? they think the case will be made based on videotapes and civil evidence. there are two elements to every crime. that is the crime itself which they have no problem proving and the intention. now, in order to get the death penalty, they have to prove a terrorist intention. in order to do that, they may get the information from him without having mirandized him and that information may get kept out of a trial. they may have blown the death penalty by not giving him his miranda warnings. >> we talk about public exception, the questioning is limited in scope. do you think there's pot
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so the miranda issue may be not all that important as a legal matter. and the fact that they get information from him that can be used to make sure there are no other conspiracies out there, that may be very useful information. and they can still prosecute him very successfully without those statements because it sure seems like there is going to be a lot of evidence against this guy, independent of any statements he might have made. >> i want to bring in our national security analyst, peter bergen, joining us. peter has written extensively on al qaeda and osama bin laden. peter, i appreciate you joining us. what are the questions that you are most interested in learning about these two, in particular about motivation and their operational capability? >> well, first of all, anderson, i think it's very interesting that they were able to detonate two bombs almost simultaneously. i think that's pretty hard. it suggests either practice in the united states or training elsewhere or perhaps both. we've had terrorists who have gone overseas who have tried to d
so the miranda issue may be not all that important as a legal matter. and the fact that they get information from him that can be used to make sure there are no other conspiracies out there, that may be very useful information. and they can still prosecute him very successfully without those statements because it sure seems like there is going to be a lot of evidence against this guy, independent of any statements he might have made. >> i want to bring in our national security analyst,...
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and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all with online inspiration and help? or do they have to have outside help, do you think? >> that's an excellent question. i'm sure in the coming days and weeks, law enforcement, the press will uncover virtually every aspect of the lives of these individuals, including the answer to that question. i do know that it is relatively and probably shockingly easy to assemble the components to make a bomb from things you can obtain in the united states. and there are terrorist organizations overseas that have instructions online for how to do that. and so it's something that we ought to look carefully at from the law enforcement p
and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all with online inspiration and help? or do they have to have...
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courts for that purpose. >> so you just mentioned miranda. so the other thing, the big thing that happened today there are two remarkable events today. there was the filing of the criminal complaint, which i was waving around, and they released a suspect of a procedural hearing that happened actually at the bedside in the hospital with a federal magistrate who was brought in. that federal magistrate informed dzhokhar tsarnaev, the 19-year-old suspect, of his rights to counsel, and there was actually defense counsel present. my question to you is he was apprehended friday night. he has been in and out of consciousness as far as we can tell. he has a throat wound, so he is writing things down. the administration has made use of a public safety exception in not reading him his rights. and i want to read from a memo in 2010 that went out to the fbi from the justice department that says there may be exceptional cases in which although all relevant public safety questions have been asked, are there other plots, other bombs, et cetera, agents noneth
courts for that purpose. >> so you just mentioned miranda. so the other thing, the big thing that happened today there are two remarkable events today. there was the filing of the criminal complaint, which i was waving around, and they released a suspect of a procedural hearing that happened actually at the bedside in the hospital with a federal magistrate who was brought in. that federal magistrate informed dzhokhar tsarnaev, the 19-year-old suspect, of his rights to counsel, and there...
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miranda or not but it sounds like this was premiranda by the magistrate. eric, thank you. >> all right. >> and more controversy surfacing tonight over tamerlan tsarnaev's 2010 trip to russia. how much did homeland know? here's what january -- janet napolitano said today. >> the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations -- the matter had been closed. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing, yes, nothing about the trip and tonight the fbi and homeland security briefing lawmakers. congressman jason chase is on the house homeland security committee. he joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> thanks, greta. >> can you clarify or do you know whether or not he mentioned going out of the united states? there's some confusion over what senator lindsay graham said and what the secretary said. >> i don't know what the secretary means when she said ping. what is clear to me from my past experience, the united states of america has no viable entry-exit system. we aren't able to track people as
miranda or not but it sounds like this was premiranda by the magistrate. eric, thank you. >> all right. >> and more controversy surfacing tonight over tamerlan tsarnaev's 2010 trip to russia. how much did homeland know? here's what january -- janet napolitano said today. >> the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations -- the matter had been closed. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing,...
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was signal would by not reading the miranda rights when they captured him. it could mean that and could mean the opposite of that. in the meantime eric shaun has the latest from boston right now. >> hi, neil, they could be filing them under a civilian case under those chargeless. federal charge of at the same time state murder charges and that's what sources are telling fox newings, the reason he was not given the miranda rights is that under the law, under a approximate exemption that has to do with immediate threats to the police or public. there is a part of the law that said you don't have to give miranda rights to a suspect to immediately protect the police in a life or death situation. the idea is that when they got him in the boat, they don't know if there are other plots or bombs or devices that the brothers had allege wouldly planted. that was a way to get immediate information about the type of threat they may have posed. dzhokhar remains here in the hospital in serious condition. he lost a lot of blood and suffered two gunshot wounds one in the ne
was signal would by not reading the miranda rights when they captured him. it could mean that and could mean the opposite of that. in the meantime eric shaun has the latest from boston right now. >> hi, neil, they could be filing them under a civilian case under those chargeless. federal charge of at the same time state murder charges and that's what sources are telling fox newings, the reason he was not given the miranda rights is that under the law, under a approximate exemption that...
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he will not be given a miranda warning, won't be told about the right to remain silent. once he is physically able to answer questions, they will begin to answer questions under new federal procedure. mike isikoff is familiar with this as well, he has reported on its development, the government will invoke something called the public safety rule. it is a court ordered, judge made rule that says when there's an imminent threat to public safety, when you need to answer questions to make sure there's no additional threat, nobody else, no co-conspirator, no outstanding plots, you can ask someone questions without miranda warning and answers are admissible in court. nobody knows how long the rule will last, starts to fade the moment you invoke it, probably 48 hours is the outer limit. the questioning will be done once it begins by something called high value detainee interrogation group. this was set up by the government and it consists of members of the fbi, cia and defense department. they'll do the initial questioning. after that 48 hour or whatever how many hours of publi
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once he exercises his miranda warning, though -- once he exercises his miranda rights he has the choice to stop answering questions. but what the justice department says is, most people in these cases, surprisingly enough, continue to talk anyway. but if he says i'm not going to talk, then they have to stop the questioning. >> hmm. it's interesting, i know that you heard the coverage with his uncle speaking to him, saying give up, ask for forgiveness. pete, i think -- are you still hearing me, pete? nope. >> oh, there i hear you now. sorry. i hear you now. >> oh, you can hear me now. little bit of technical difficulty. but it's the kind of thing that asking for forgiveness. i guess i ask from a broader justice perspective. if he does cooperate, despite the heinous nature of the activities that he will, in all likelihood be accused of, murder, the mayhem, the terrorism in the bombing of the boston marathon, is there anything for him to be gained from a legal perspective by cooperation? >> well, he avoids the death penalty. which -- well although in the federal case, i'm not sure about th
once he exercises his miranda warning, though -- once he exercises his miranda rights he has the choice to stop answering questions. but what the justice department says is, most people in these cases, surprisingly enough, continue to talk anyway. but if he says i'm not going to talk, then they have to stop the questioning. >> hmm. it's interesting, i know that you heard the coverage with his uncle speaking to him, saying give up, ask for forgiveness. pete, i think -- are you still...
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the united states attorney's office advised us not to administer miranda rights. we gave that information out to our officers and i think all law enforcement was operating under those rules of engagement. >> back to the apartment real quickly. there were devices found in the apartment but you can't comment on what? >> no, i didn't say that. i can't comment on any evidence that was found there. sglp anything that was found in the apartment. are you confident that these two were acting alone and that there are no more suspects out there? >> i'm confident that they were the two major actors in the violence that occurred. i am very, very sure that during this thorough investigation we'll get to the bottom of the whole plot. that's all i can say right now. i told the people of boston that they can rest easily. the two people who were committing these vicious attacks are either dead or in custody. we cleared dozens of packages that had been dropped by people fleeing the scene. so everything was treated suspiciously. in a situation like this, bombers often target first r
the united states attorney's office advised us not to administer miranda rights. we gave that information out to our officers and i think all law enforcement was operating under those rules of engagement. >> back to the apartment real quickly. there were devices found in the apartment but you can't comment on what? >> no, i didn't say that. i can't comment on any evidence that was found there. sglp anything that was found in the apartment. are you confident that these two were...
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the suspect has not been myrrh an di -- mirandaized. and broadly asserted by the obama administration, tonight the president spoke of what appears to be the end of the first chapter of this national episode. >> in this age of instant reporting, tweets and blogs, there's a temptation to latch on to any bit of information, sometimes to jump to conclusions, but when a tragedy like this happens, with public safety at risk and the stakes so high, it's important that we do this right. that's why we have investigations. that's why we relentlessly gather the facts. that's why we have courts. that's why we take care not to rush to judgment, not about the motivations of these individuals, certainly not about entire groups people. >> after a day in which the greater boston area was in lockdown, a virtual ghosttown, nearly as far as we can tell, unprecedented. less than an hour after the curfew was lifted this was the result. >> a man had gone out of his house after being inside the house all day bading by our request to stay inside. he walked outs
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i'm not quite sure that the whole issue of miranda is even relevant at this point given the fact that they have so much evidence it appears based upon the number of photos and images et cetera, et cetera. but judge, what charges might they file against him? and if this case is brought in federal court and it seems that all indications are that it will be brought in federal court, isn't a federal judge bound by, you know, the federal rules of evidence, delay because they may not be able to talk to this defendant for a month or two because he is so drugged from all of the injuries and would a judge be faced with some of the evidencery issues he would with a regular criminal in a criminal trial? >> the evidencery issues will certainly be the same. so far as delay in charging him, motions will be made. i think i can pretty well guarantee you that they will be denied. >> all right. and then you presided over the blind sheik trial and ended up sentencing him to life in prison. when you did so, we all expect as judges that we sentence someone to life that they will spend their life in prison
i'm not quite sure that the whole issue of miranda is even relevant at this point given the fact that they have so much evidence it appears based upon the number of photos and images et cetera, et cetera. but judge, what charges might they file against him? and if this case is brought in federal court and it seems that all indications are that it will be brought in federal court, isn't a federal judge bound by, you know, the federal rules of evidence, delay because they may not be able to talk...
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certainly he will be read his miranda rights. this is obviously a very controversial subject involving terrorism investigations, but since this was an fbi arrest, this will -- he will be read his miranda rights. he doesn't have to ask for a lawyer. he could make statements that could later be used against him. that's after all what the miranda warnings are. you can have an attorney or you can make a statement. depending on -- >> jeff, let me jump in here. i want to check in with john king. >> -- he will either speak to -- >> john, you're hearing more? >> i just want to pass along information from our producer, who says two federal law enforcement officials have confirmed to her they have verified the identity. it is the younger brother, suspect number two, in custody. it is now they say federal officials verified the identity and have no doubt. as i said earlier, a federal official i communicated with said in custody, unspecified medical needs and they are now sweeping that scene to make sure there are no additional risks. >> bri
certainly he will be read his miranda rights. this is obviously a very controversial subject involving terrorism investigations, but since this was an fbi arrest, this will -- he will be read his miranda rights. he doesn't have to ask for a lawyer. he could make statements that could later be used against him. that's after all what the miranda warnings are. you can have an attorney or you can make a statement. depending on -- >> jeff, let me jump in here. i want to check in with john...
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you know, judge, a lot of people h ve been talking about miranda, the public safety exception. i don't want to spend a lot of time on that. but, you know, when the police announced that the public threat was over, once dzhokhar was taken into custody, doesn't that suggest that the public safety exception doesn't kick in, or has been solidified? >> the public safety exception is in no way applicable in this case. that was for a situation where there was a gun in a public place and the police needed to know where it was. they asked the guy they just caught where's the gun before where was the gun? >>> they asked where is the gun. >> be that as it may you have a public defender in boston who is chomping at the bit to appoint a federal judge to defend the suspect. you could reassign a public defender is he or sheable to come in and say i don't want you talking to my client? >> he or she can say that. it's not going to stop this trying to do is to collect intelligence. i'm sure that if that's what they're trying to do, they will simply continue to do it, and gather only intelligence
you know, judge, a lot of people h ve been talking about miranda, the public safety exception. i don't want to spend a lot of time on that. but, you know, when the police announced that the public threat was over, once dzhokhar was taken into custody, doesn't that suggest that the public safety exception doesn't kick in, or has been solidified? >> the public safety exception is in no way applicable in this case. that was for a situation where there was a gun in a public place and the...
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there are exceptions to the miranda warning? >> there are exceptions to the miranda warnings. since the miranda case in 1966, the supreme court carved out a number of different exceptions where the police don't need to read the miranda warnings to a suspect and can still introduce in the statements that the suspects make into evidence. >>brian: do you believe this information warrants that exception? >> i do not. i think the government is taking a chance by deciding to go ahead and interview the suspect, future defendant without reading his miranda rights. the exception that they are citing is the public safety exception from a 1984 case, where a suspect was arrested after putting a loaded gun somewhere that supermarket. as the police were driving away, they asked him what he did with the gun, and he told them where it was. the police were able to recover a loaded gun. but in that case the danger to the public was immediate. here, i think we're talking about potentially interviewing this guy, the younger brother, when he wakes up in the hospital after the police have been sati
there are exceptions to the miranda warning? >> there are exceptions to the miranda warnings. since the miranda case in 1966, the supreme court carved out a number of different exceptions where the police don't need to read the miranda warnings to a suspect and can still introduce in the statements that the suspects make into evidence. >>brian: do you believe this information warrants that exception? >> i do not. i think the government is taking a chance by deciding to go...
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he will not be given a miranda warning, he will not be told about his right to remain silent. once he is physically able to answer questions, they will begin to answer questions under a new federal procedure, and mike isikoff who you were talking to is familiar with this, as well because he's reported on its development. the government will invoke something called the public safety rule. it's a court ordered, it's a judge-made rule that says when there is an imminent threat to public safety, when you need to answer questions to make sure there's no additional threat, nobody else, no co-conspirators, no outstanding plots, you can ask someone questions without giving them a miranda warning and all their answers are still add admissible in court. nobody knows how long the rule will last, starts to fade the moment you invoke it, probably 48 hours is the outer limit. the questioning will be done once it begins by something called high value detainee interrogation group. this was set up by the government and it consists of members of the fbi, cia and defense department. they'll do t
he will not be given a miranda warning, he will not be told about his right to remain silent. once he is physically able to answer questions, they will begin to answer questions under a new federal procedure, and mike isikoff who you were talking to is familiar with this, as well because he's reported on its development. the government will invoke something called the public safety rule. it's a court ordered, it's a judge-made rule that says when there is an imminent threat to public safety,...
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you're seeing that play out in terms that he wasn't read his miranda rights. the difference being they can ask the question, they can get the information they need. but, the information they get, they can't, then, turn around and use against him at a trial. that would have to be gained separately. >> okay, thank you, chris. chris pulling a late shift for us. it was interesting, he said that, well, dzhokhar will, in fact, be a valuable piece of evidence, if you like. really, he was an older bloer. the younger one, i don't know, went aloong for the ride. >> yeah, the older brother, younger brother scenario. how this is sort of reminiscent of the sniper shooting. it was a similar situation. it soernly was a question just floating out there right now. and now that the police work has played off and chris was talking about tonight, as you've been discussing, it's really time to the legal aspect of the marathon bombings. earlier tonight, anderson cooper talked with senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. the first thing that will happen will lay out the basics of the
you're seeing that play out in terms that he wasn't read his miranda rights. the difference being they can ask the question, they can get the information they need. but, the information they get, they can't, then, turn around and use against him at a trial. that would have to be gained separately. >> okay, thank you, chris. chris pulling a late shift for us. it was interesting, he said that, well, dzhokhar will, in fact, be a valuable piece of evidence, if you like. really, he was an...
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do we think, your personal opinion, do we think that he should have been read his miranda rights? >> i think that he has got that brief window of time. i heard the segment you did with mike ignacious on that and that period of time where if public safety issues arise, allows them to ask questions. i think it appears from what i know, i don't know anything, none of us do right now, that we are in that window, there is a concern for public safety and probably able to question him and i just hope they don't go over that line. they have to make sure that they stay in that line you you want any prosecution to hold up. you want this person to be held accountable. >> what about treating him as an enemy combatant? what is your take on that? >> i don't know all the facts here to establish that yet. i'm not sure that most of us that aren't intimately involved with the investigation know all the niceties involved in making that determination. i would hesitate to make a leap to that point without having quite a bit more information. >> massachusetts congressman john tierney. congressman, than
do we think, your personal opinion, do we think that he should have been read his miranda rights? >> i think that he has got that brief window of time. i heard the segment you did with mike ignacious on that and that period of time where if public safety issues arise, allows them to ask questions. i think it appears from what i know, i don't know anything, none of us do right now, that we are in that window, there is a concern for public safety and probably able to question him and i just...
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so behavior mirandaizeing him the cops asked him where is the gun. before finding out asking if there were other bombs, beth i'm with you. but now they broadened it, besides asking about the becomes, ask him about other items. joe, it sounded like you were going to say one last thing on this. >> the last summation is in boston they've seen terror trials before, the richard reed trial. the shoe bomber, there was no miranda exception even then when there could and there was a direct link to an al-qaeda plot, and they ordered people to stay inside so they were confident that there was no explosive devices to begin with. i think it was a show of force by the federal government to let everybody know that they were doing everything they can short of torture, which is now illegal, to get information out of him. >> cenk: let me see if i can take this to the next level. peter king said he should be a combatant. >> i want the intelligence to save americans lives. and that's the only way to do that effectively if he's treated as enemy combatant. >> there is fin
so behavior mirandaizeing him the cops asked him where is the gun. before finding out asking if there were other bombs, beth i'm with you. but now they broadened it, besides asking about the becomes, ask him about other items. joe, it sounded like you were going to say one last thing on this. >> the last summation is in boston they've seen terror trials before, the richard reed trial. the shoe bomber, there was no miranda exception even then when there could and there was a direct link to...
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i would say this from the standpoint of a miranda case. the purpose from miranda in part is to keep someone from being coerced and incriminating himself. that ship's sailed. nobody needs any testimony from the murderer about his culpabili culpability. we should put this in perspective. this man is clearly guilty. there is no problem, you know. the miranda rights is anything you say can be held against you. he doesn't have to say anything. they can be held against him and his vicious deeds. this is in a vacuum. i don't think it's going to make much of a difference. >> on the other side, councilman, i'm sure you're not surprised, the aclu says, look, how heinous the crime you don't put aside your rules and regulations that are in place, and so that's one side of it. the other side of it, which goes even further than this public safety exception is the four members of the u.s. senate. you have peter king, the congressman, who are saying, forget that. he should be treated as an enemy combatant. should it go that far? >> no. by the way, i am su
i would say this from the standpoint of a miranda case. the purpose from miranda in part is to keep someone from being coerced and incriminating himself. that ship's sailed. nobody needs any testimony from the murderer about his culpabili culpability. we should put this in perspective. this man is clearly guilty. there is no problem, you know. the miranda rights is anything you say can be held against you. he doesn't have to say anything. they can be held against him and his vicious deeds. this...
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. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over. and you're right, the enemy combatant thing was a nonstarter from the never going to happen. this is a criminal case in federal court in massachusetts, and that's where it will stay until it's resolved one way or another. >> it's going to take a while. thanks very much, jeffrey. much more on what's going on in this boston investigation coming up here in "the situation room" 0. >>> also, another terror plot released today, new information. canadian authorities announcing the arrest of two men believed to be part of a terror plot to attack a passenger train that may have been heading towards the united states,
. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over....
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h these questions can be maintained if he does not get his miranda rights. that is going to expire in will 48-hours. >> he says the agency is getting a lot of outside pressure to mir ran dies him. mir ran dieing him may jeopardize what they can use for him in court. they should hold off as long as possible to gter as much information as possible. >>> time now for your 5@5:00. 5 people are dead after a shooting in an apartment complex in seattle including a suspect. police responded to a shooting in federal way when two men were injured in a parking lot. officers moved to assist them. that's when they opened fire. a man and a woman also found dead inside of an apartment. there's no word on what sparked the shooting. >> four more victims have been identified from the deadly fert liedzer plant explosion. among them two brothers doug and robert newcastle both firefighters. >> both brothers were ready to serve neighbors in their time of need. they were the first in the emergency situation. robert and doug were more than just brothers. they were lifelong best frie
h these questions can be maintained if he does not get his miranda rights. that is going to expire in will 48-hours. >> he says the agency is getting a lot of outside pressure to mir ran dies him. mir ran dieing him may jeopardize what they can use for him in court. they should hold off as long as possible to gter as much information as possible. >>> time now for your 5@5:00. 5 people are dead after a shooting in an apartment complex in seattle including a suspect. police...
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you've been hearing a lot about miranda rights. there's issue at play here that need to be clarified. we're going to read a couple of the things said from the hearing. we have the transcript. the judge said, quoting here, you have been charged with one use of a weapon often mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death. the case is being prosecuted in part by william weinreb. the maximum penalty on each count is death or imprisonment for any terms of years, or life. and there was this finding from the judge, and this one is important. quote, i find that the defendant is alert, mentally competent, and lucid. he is aware of the nature of the proceedings. okay? so that is the basis for the discussion. joined by retired superior court judge isaac borenstein in boston. he's done hospital visits over his 22 years as a judge. let us begin with the idea, confusion and frustration about miranda rights. give them right away, if you don't give them, then this prosecution is astray. what is the basic understanding o
you've been hearing a lot about miranda rights. there's issue at play here that need to be clarified. we're going to read a couple of the things said from the hearing. we have the transcript. the judge said, quoting here, you have been charged with one use of a weapon often mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death. the case is being prosecuted in part by william weinreb. the maximum penalty on each count is death or imprisonment for any terms of years, or life....
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if it was given prior to the reading of his miranda rights, it would probably be unlikely they would use that against him in court. if it was used voluntarily afterwards, likely he would. about the fact he has lawyered up, most likely we could send the information probably came prior to his reading of the miranda rights. we don't know that right now. >> thank you very much indeed. an extraordinary court session took place inside his hospital room. a transcript of that hearing tonight that tells us about the accused bomber and the case. jason, tell us what happens, it is fascinating. >> it really is and it is an nine page transcript we got hold of. what i can tell you is this proceeding lasted about ten or 15 minutes, started about 11:30 this morning. all of the key figures came into the hospital room and all of them introduce themselves. you had the u.s. judge there and attorneys from both sides. a court reporter there as well. and everyone present wanted to make sure that he knew exactly what was going on, know about the charges that he is facing. let me read you some of the key sec
if it was given prior to the reading of his miranda rights, it would probably be unlikely they would use that against him in court. if it was used voluntarily afterwards, likely he would. about the fact he has lawyered up, most likely we could send the information probably came prior to his reading of the miranda rights. we don't know that right now. >> thank you very much indeed. an extraordinary court session took place inside his hospital room. a transcript of that hearing tonight that...
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all of this is moot right now, because as you know, yesterday, he was formally given his miranda rights and a judge magistrate at his bed side with a court-appointed attorney, a public defender. this is moot as the obama administration has made its decision. is lindsey graham on sound legal ground, saying he should be tried in a civilian court, but held and questioned as an enemy combatant? >> i think the only fair answer to that question is we don't know. because it's never been done before in american history to have some sort of hybrid combatant and criminal proceeding. we do know from jake tapper's reporting, there was an interrogation of tsavraev. and he did disclose his position that there was no broader conspiracy here. just him and his pressure. it seems like the justice department and the fbi have done the kind of interrogation that at least -- that lindsey graham seems to want to have been done, perhaps not as extensive as it might have been. but there was a premiranda interrogation and authorities can work with that, at least now going forward. >> i think that's a fair point.
all of this is moot right now, because as you know, yesterday, he was formally given his miranda rights and a judge magistrate at his bed side with a court-appointed attorney, a public defender. this is moot as the obama administration has made its decision. is lindsey graham on sound legal ground, saying he should be tried in a civilian court, but held and questioned as an enemy combatant? >> i think the only fair answer to that question is we don't know. because it's never been done...
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don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably see the rand pauls, the far right come around and defend his rights and vice versa, but this is something that we saw fought over time and time again when george bush was president. ironically, three republican senators or at least the two, mccain and graham were defending the liberal point of view saying don't torture. >> the argument, should the suspect be treated as part of al qaeda and taliban basically. it was authorization for use of force. the question is does it even apply? >> right. >> and will it matter. and then the other question you're going to get to is if we had been warned by t
don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably...
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recovering from gunshot wounds and as investigators continue to swear gate him, a judge gave him his miranda right and now lawmakers fear this legal action unknowingly took the death center off the table. listen to what senators had to say on the senate floor earlier today. >> how do you get the death penalty when the only way you can get information out of the suspect is to go through his lawyer? you can't have this national security interrogation where there's no lawyer to get information to protect against a future tact tick that can't be used in the trial. don't you think the lawyer is going to say i'm not going to have my client talk to you unless you promise not to seek the death penalty? >> i would say that the senator from south carolina, i don't know how that was 'nibble this case. any defense lawyer, as they should to defend their client, there's no way they oill allow that individual who committed the terrorist attack in boston to speak to one investigator now if we get additional information, we have follow-up questions, without taking the death penalty off the table. >> so did t
recovering from gunshot wounds and as investigators continue to swear gate him, a judge gave him his miranda right and now lawmakers fear this legal action unknowingly took the death center off the table. listen to what senators had to say on the senate floor earlier today. >> how do you get the death penalty when the only way you can get information out of the suspect is to go through his lawyer? you can't have this national security interrogation where there's no lawyer to get...
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would not be read his miranda rights as part of the fifth amendment public safety exception the problem with this is that the exception doesn't actually legally fit the suspect and for those of you who have no idea what miranda rights are the rights read to every person who's arrested in the u.s. media aftermath of the suspects detention certain elected officials quickly took to the internet to offer their two cents on how to treat the suspect south carolina senator lindsey graham said quote the last thing we may want to do is read boston suspect miranda rights telling him to quote remain silent and then followed up by saying if captured i hope administration will least consider holding the boston suspect as enemy combatant for intelligence gathering purposes some state representatives took the sentiment even further calling actually torture the suspect new york state senator gregg paul wrote sos scumbag number two in custody who wouldn't want to use torture on this punk to save more lives. i wouldn't and no one else that actually respects the rule of law and the constitution because gu
would not be read his miranda rights as part of the fifth amendment public safety exception the problem with this is that the exception doesn't actually legally fit the suspect and for those of you who have no idea what miranda rights are the rights read to every person who's arrested in the u.s. media aftermath of the suspects detention certain elected officials quickly took to the internet to offer their two cents on how to treat the suspect south carolina senator lindsey graham said quote...
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>> there are reports there was no miranda giving. they were claiming public safety kpenls. >> there is a public safety exemptions in days of national security and charges involving acts of terrorism. the government has that opportunity right now. i believe the suspect has been taken to a hospital. thank you. >> what's the federal death count? >> this is still an active, on going investigation. we'll review all of the evidence before that kind of decision is made in terms of whether or not to seek the death penalty you review all of the evidence. it's a very thoughtful, long process that is engaged. it's the attorney general of the department of justice that makes the final decision. >> commissioner -- >> i'm sorry. >> -- straight to the boat. can you or the colonel talk about what happened. was he moving around? how did you know it was a chance to take him into custody? >> we know he didn't go straight to the boat. when we set up the perimeter with the best intentions with a lot of information, we found blood in the car he abandoned,
>> there are reports there was no miranda giving. they were claiming public safety kpenls. >> there is a public safety exemptions in days of national security and charges involving acts of terrorism. the government has that opportunity right now. i believe the suspect has been taken to a hospital. thank you. >> what's the federal death count? >> this is still an active, on going investigation. we'll review all of the evidence before that kind of decision is made in terms...
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because if you call it custody, like i said, you have to give miranda warnings. miranda is triggered when a person is in custody, is not able to leave. >> but that means, if they have that person in custody and they haven't read the miranda rights, in theory, that person could just get up and leave. >> no, they have somebody who's willing to be questioned. they have somebody -- you've seen this on television, right? a person willing to come down to the police station and be questioned. if the person is willing to be questioned and could leave if they wanted to, this is the definition, then he's not technically in custody and you don't have to give him miranda warnings. so they may have a situation where they're playing with somebody and somebody's playing with them, but it isn't quite custody. and they don't want to call it that or make it that, because, again, the lawyer walks in. >> i don't know if you've heard, we're looking at pictures to have the federal courthouse there in boston, but they had to evacuate that moments ago. nont know what that's about, and i
because if you call it custody, like i said, you have to give miranda warnings. miranda is triggered when a person is in custody, is not able to leave. >> but that means, if they have that person in custody and they haven't read the miranda rights, in theory, that person could just get up and leave. >> no, they have somebody who's willing to be questioned. they have somebody -- you've seen this on television, right? a person willing to come down to the police station and be...
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. >> dzhokhar was read his miranda rights in a brief bedside session. >> he nodded most of his answers. >> nodded four times to questions but spoke just one word. >> when asked if he could afford a lawyer, he spoke the word no. >> the house today will get a classified briefing. a senate committee will question the fbi. >> the fbi faces questions. >> there are limits on what can be done. >> there are ways in which you could further enable the fbi. >> these are all issues that are going to be developed. >> i want to get a sequester very quickly in here. >> a series of automatic, severe budget cuts. >> across the board sequester cuts. >> what does it mean for the overall debate? >> fbi agents will be furloughed. changes like this affect our ability to respond to threats. >> this is a result of the sequester. >> these cuts are not smart, they are not fair. >> this touches, you know, almost every big issue going on in washington now. >> president obama's early second term domestic agenda. gun control, the budget and reform. president obama is inviting the senators over for dinner tonight. >
. >> dzhokhar was read his miranda rights in a brief bedside session. >> he nodded most of his answers. >> nodded four times to questions but spoke just one word. >> when asked if he could afford a lawyer, he spoke the word no. >> the house today will get a classified briefing. a senate committee will question the fbi. >> the fbi faces questions. >> there are limits on what can be done. >> there are ways in which you could further enable the fbi....